Session Start: Fri Jan 20 00:00:00 2012 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
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Session Start: Fri Jan 20 03:05:09 2012 Session Ident: #glitchpc [03:05] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[03:05] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[05:50]<+Mulreay> pottsi when is the shell going down?
[05:51]<+Mulreay> Oh and Craig if your there, can you host a shell for me? For one bot?
[05:51]<+pottsi> Mulreay it's not now
[05:51]<+pottsi> i bought a dedicated server
[05:52]<+Mulreay> awesome, Craig never no mind
[05:52]<+Mulreay> That must cost about ?16 - ?20 per month?
[05:53]<+pottsi> for a dedicated server
[05:53]<+pottsi> ?
[05:53]<+pottsi> i wish
[05:53]<+pottsi> xD
[05:53]<+Mulreay> oh dedicated.. wow
[05:53]<+pottsi> my vps costs about 20 a month
[05:53]<+pottsi> i found a cheapish one
[05:53]<+Mulreay> I can get a game server for ?16 a month from my host... they like me
[05:53]<+pottsi> 50 per month
[05:54]<+Mulreay> a lot
[05:54]<+pottsi> quad core 4gb ram 2x 1000 gb hd 1000gb bw
[05:55]<+Mulreay> 1tb space and 1tb bandwidth?
[05:55]<+Mulreay> 2tb even
[05:55]<+pottsi> yep
[05:55]<+Mulreay> cool
[05:55]<+Mulreay> who from?
[05:56]<+pottsi> manitu
[05:56]<+pottsi> german company
[05:56]<+Mulreay> I get unlimited for my sites and 'they say' unlimited if I have a gaming server
[05:59]<+pottsi> specs
[06:02]<+Mulreay> I'm on talking terms with the owner (he phones me) and I've just asked if he could do better..
[06:02]<+pottsi> specs?
[06:02]<+Mulreay> of what?
[06:03]<+Mulreay> http://unlimitedwebhosting.co.uk/
[06:06]<+pottsi> ahh thats webhosting
[06:07]<+Mulreay> Yeah they do more, they host servers... I've asked and they will get back to me.
[06:32]<+Mulreay> OK that's a no go
[06:32]<+Mulreay> Hey, being completely honest, that's an awesome deal! I would stick with that as long as you get the support.
[06:32]<+Mulreay> This side, we only use Enterprise Dell hardware, as similar solution would cost 3X more.
[06:35]<+pottsi> yep
[06:36]<+Mulreay> I assume all the shell logins will stay the same?
[06:36]<+pottsi> yep
[06:36]<+Mulreay> cool
[06:37]<+Mulreay> Do you have a donate?
[06:37]<+pottsi> not sure what i'm gonna do with my other vps's atm
[06:56]<+Mulreay> New sound card is LOUD
[06:56]<@bc_programming> you got a new sound card? neat
[06:56]<+Mulreay> Yep
[06:56]<@bc_programming> external I take it?
[06:57]<+Mulreay> internal for the PC.. it's bigger than the GPU so you can imagine the 'mods' I had to make... hurts my ears
[06:57]<+Mulreay> PCI
[06:57]<@bc_programming> well.. you could change the volume... :P
[06:57]<+Mulreay> Yeah just testing it
[06:58]<+Mulreay> 5.1 sound
[06:58]<@bc_programming> Mine is PCI as well, X-Fi XtremeGamer/XtremeMusic
[06:59]<@bc_programming> was called the former when I bought it but they renamed it to the latter at some point... very confusing
[07:02]<+Mulreay> This is nice..
[07:03]<+Mulreay> Should record something now I have a dedicated MIC port
[07:03]<@bc_programming> you didn't before?
[07:04]<+Mulreay> nope
[07:04]<@bc_programming> Most on-board audio I've seen has at least mic and speakers
[07:04]<+Mulreay> I thought so... the 'MIC' turned out to be a CD/DVD in port... don't ask
[07:04]<@bc_programming> lol
[07:05]<@bc_programming> I on-board is probably just as good as my sound card, come to think of it
[07:05]<@bc_programming> my*
[07:05]<+Mulreay> This is/was an office computer
[07:06]<@bc_programming> I think I might just have the X-Fi installed so I have two sound devices
[07:07]<@bc_programming> which reminds me I should compose more music for baseblock... and by compose I mean "fiddle about until I get something that doesn't enrage most of the population"
[07:08]<+Mulreay> It started as a 3ghz Pen4 with 512mb RAM with onboard graphics and shitty sound... now it's 3ghz pen4 3Gb RAM, 512Mb GPU with memory share and a sound card that... the box is somewhere... looking
[07:08]<@bc_programming> a sound card that is better
[07:08]<@bc_programming> heh
[07:09]<+Mulreay> heh
[07:09]<+Mulreay> It has sound... can't find it... my room is a mass of cables and clothes
[07:10]<Tux2> lol...
[07:10]<@bc_programming> hmm well I managed to break my sound
[07:10]<@bc_programming> I can't decide whether to blame FLStudio or my sound card
[07:10]<@bc_programming> I want to blame the former since it is only when I start FL that things go south
[07:11]<Tux2> bc_programming: have you ever watched I Love Lucy?
[07:11]<@bc_programming> not intentionally
[07:11]<Tux2> lol...
[07:11]<+pottsi> sounds like a porno
[07:11]<Tux2> It's an old TV show.
[07:12]<+Mulreay> I've had to move PS from the laptop to the desktop because it can't handle 3D
[07:12]<Tux2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI
[07:12]<+Mulreay> haha pottsi
[07:12]<+pottsi> :)
[07:13]<Tux2> That scene is a classic in the I Love Lucy show...
[07:13]<Tux2> *Spoiler Alert* Seems they are doing a scene similar to it in MLP
[07:14]<+Mulreay> Somebody is downstairs... either my Housemates/landlords Mum or Dad... could be a burglar and there stealing the fridge or the dog..
[07:14]<@bc_programming> could be the toaster thief
[07:15]<+Mulreay> Steal him, he always asks for toast
[07:15]<@bc_programming> well I've balls up my desktop sound. FLStudio complained that it's ASIO driver Hz setting wasn't available, wouldn't play anything and then hangs on exit
[07:15]<@bc_programming> best part is it takes the entire sound system with it
[07:16]<+Mulreay> shocker
[07:16]<Tux2> lol...
[07:16]<Tux2> Ever tried LMMS bc_programming?
[07:16]<@bc_programming> yes. On Linux
[07:17]<+Mulreay> I have 'galloping gut rut' if that makes you feel better
[07:17]<+Mulreay> rot*
[07:18]<@bc_programming> all the fun of rebooting, as all the stuff that tries to connect to the internet when it starts has to face the apparently unforeseen circumstance that there isn't a connection and they all panic
[07:18]<@bc_programming> wow
[07:18]<@bc_programming> FLStudio didn't just take out the sound... the entire sound card has literally dissapeared as far as the system is concerned
[07:19]<@bc_programming> guess I'll have to cold boot...
[07:19]<+Mulreay> @ bc_programming Some would say you play around too much
[07:19]<@bc_programming> all i did was start FLStudio!
[07:19]<@bc_programming> then quit
[07:20]<@bc_programming> I'm thinking the former was a bigger mistake
[07:21]<@bc_programming> I have a suspicion that this may be more involved to fix
[07:21]<Tux2> Ugh...
[07:22]<+Mulreay> It's Gregs Mum...
[07:22]<@bc_programming> the mixer has now crashed
[07:23]<@bc_programming> this can't be a good sign
[07:23]<@bc_programming> I think a good starting point is Add/remove programs and remove FLStudio 9 though
[07:23]<+Mulreay> I would start with that
[07:24]<@bc_programming> Device manager "This device is working properly" yeah I'll be the judge of that thx
[07:24]<+Mulreay> heh
[07:25]<@bc_programming> now before I reboot I will kill dropbox because it's confusion when I boot and it can't find an internet connection is starting to annoy me
[07:26]<+Mulreay> I can't delete a folder... keeps asking for admin whatnot.. checked in processes and nothing... I hate to have to restart because of stupidity
[07:26]<@bc_programming> On the bright side I fixed my monitor which I was sure was failing... turned out the DVI->VGA adapter I was using was broken
[07:29]<@bc_programming> uninstalled sound card from device manager and rebooted
[07:29]<@bc_programming> kind of sad that a program can balls up a sound device that badly
[07:30]<+Mulreay> Sorry, distracted with LOUD music... this is awesome
[07:31]<@bc_programming> well this has gone <censored> up rather fast
[07:31]<+Mulreay> Plugging in my speaker system
[07:31]<@bc_programming> haha... wow
[07:32]<+Mulreay> I am whearing Cans to listen like
[07:32]<@bc_programming> my cans are broken
[07:32]<@bc_programming> I thought I fixed them but that didn't last long
[07:33]<@bc_programming> I suppose it was to be expected, since all I did was poke a few holes in them, really
[07:33]<@bc_programming> well my sound is back
[07:33]<@bc_programming> thought I am quite cross with FL Studio
[07:33]<@bc_programming> though*
[07:34]<+Mulreay> I bet,
[07:35]<+Mulreay> Not sure why I added the , I guess I was going to say something
[07:35]<@bc_programming> heh
[07:35]<@bc_programming> can't bring myself to uninstall it though since I have quite a few project files made in it
[07:36]<+Mulreay> no cross-format?
[07:36]<@bc_programming> Welll unless you count the MP3 and ogg files I made
[07:37]<@bc_programming> it's FLStudio project files...
[07:37]<@bc_programming> and since I can't rightly start the program I can't really check what else I could save too
[07:37]<+Mulreay> fair enough
[07:37]<@bc_programming> I'll try reinstalling the app first before giving up on it though
[07:39]<@bc_programming> watch the reinstall wipe all the project files or something
[07:39]<@bc_programming> that would be classic
[07:39]<+Mulreay> WOW, Greg's Mum is here and she didn't take the dog for a walk... <censored>
[07:40]<+Mulreay> I just said the female dog... I HATE that from ChanbotV
[07:41]<@bc_programming> blame mibbit, really
[07:42]<@bc_programming> changing things into <censored >
[07:42]<@bc_programming> without the space of course
[07:42]<+Mulreay> he should reacquaint
[07:45]<@bc_programming> reinstalled and ready to see if it still balls' up. At least I know how to fix it without getting to involved
[07:45]<@bc_programming> Comp knows this is serious business, the wallpaper just changed to AppleBloom
[07:45]<+Mulreay> good luck
[07:46]<@bc_programming> it works now
[07:46]<@bc_programming> seems a bit obvious to have tried a reinstall before
[07:47]<@bc_programming> now to listen to some of my remixes for no reason
[07:48]<+Mulreay> Thank God... he made it happen.
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[07:48]<@bc_programming> that's what the fairies tell me
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[07:49]<@bc_programming> that was rather odd timing
[07:49]<@bc_programming> now camerongray thinks fairies talk to me
[07:50]<@bc_programming> mostly it's just "hey" "Listen" "Watch Out"... etc
[07:50]<@bc_programming> "Watch for the shadows of monsters that hang from the ceiling"
[07:51]<+Mulreay> Fairies don't act on people's actions they ask the nymphs to do it... get real.
[07:53]<@bc_programming> "The green slimy thing is gone, that must be because you cut the green tail! Will that work with the other ones too?"
[07:53]<@bc_programming> "Shuddap navi"
[07:53]<+Mulreay> heh
[07:53]<@bc_programming> you know you play a game too much when you can quote passages like that word for word
[07:54]<+Mulreay> yep
[07:54]<+camerongray> hahaha - hey
[07:54]<@bc_programming> watch out
[07:54]<+Mulreay> hey camerongray
[07:56]<+Mulreay> I'm going to 'Rock World' tomorrow apparently
[07:58]<@bc_programming> Rock World?
[07:59]<@bc_programming> is that like a geology retreat
[08:00]<@bc_programming> here's another question, why the feck did I get up at 5AM
[08:09]<+camerongray> lol
[08:15]<Tux2> lol...
[08:15]<Tux2> I woke up at 7AM today and couldn't go back to sleep...
[08:16]<Tux2> Oh, and this is the lovely time when everyone is using dev builds of bukkit and love posting the errors they are getting in your plugins because of it...
[08:17]<Tux2> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/edit-monsterbox-v0-5-change-any-placed-monster-spawners-type-1-0-1-r1.20098/page-5#post-921090
[08:21]<@bc_programming> lol
[08:22]<+camerongray> lol
[08:23]<@bc_programming> heh... my "Combo" announcement sounds for BASeBlock are hilarious
[08:23]<Tux2> My reply to him: "Build 1792 just happens to be a DEV build of bukkit, which means it isn't finished yet and there might be bugs in it. I'll be happy to fix this if it happens to be in the next recommended build, but in the meantime either downgrade your bukkit a build or two (I've got it working successfully on build 1783) or wait for a build that fixes that error."
[08:32]<@bc_programming> oh yeah I added this crazy thing to baseblock, a shot thing that has balls revolving around it that get released when it hits something and it shoots freakin laser beams all over the place
[08:32]<@bc_programming> currently the top upgrade to the terminator powerup
[08:53]<Tux2> lol, nice
[08:53]<@bc_programming> yeah even made a custom laser shootey sound in audacity
[08:53]<Tux2> bc_programming: can you make sense out of this commit? https://github.com/Bukkit/Bukkit/commit/e35037ab50157b006d00cba6d1b2c898e2bf5258
[08:54]<@bc_programming> looking
[08:54]<Tux2> It seems the way we handle events in bukkit is now depreciated, but I can't make heads or tails on how the new system is supposed to work...
[08:54]<@bc_programming> wow
[08:54]<@bc_programming> that describes perfectly why I don't like java
[08:55]<@bc_programming> or rather one of the things I don't like about it
[08:55]<@bc_programming> you have to write all sorts of boilerplate stuff for events and notification stuff
[08:55]<Tux2> lol
[08:55]<@bc_programming> you didn't even have to do that With Visual Basic 6 for goodness sake
[08:56]<Tux2> I can "read" the code, I just can't comprehend how this new event system is supposed to work...
[08:56]<@bc_programming> I mean look at that... it looks like they've added a class for every single event...
[08:56]<Tux2> lol, yes, there is a class for every single event.
[08:57]<Tux2> It's the most efficient way of passing an event to multiple plugins and not having to have an ugly return system
[08:57]<@bc_programming> well... with java, anyway :x
[08:57]<@bc_programming> :P
[08:58]<Tux2> Primitive data types in java can't be passed via reference, it only copies them, so we use classes to enclose them all so we can pass them all around to different classes and have them all interact with the same variables.
[08:59]<@bc_programming> err... they can be boxed into Integer/Long/Float/Double/etc
[08:59]<@bc_programming> but using those would be messy
[08:59]<Tux2> But then that makes the event so that you have to recode it every time something gets added...
[09:00]<@bc_programming> the latest commit looks like it just adds a list of handlers
[09:00]<Tux2> Well, the files listed in green are the files added...
[09:01]<Tux2> Well, I'm going to try to get some more sleep before I need to wake up... see you later...
[09:02]<@bc_programming> k
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[09:12]<mib_3vombt> anyone know how to write wmp plugins using .net?
[09:13]<mib_3vombt> and what lib i should use
[09:13]<@jacky> !lastspoke bc_programming
[09:13]<mib_3vombt> and if the windows sdk is necessary?
[09:14]<@bc_programming> I found this
[09:14]<@bc_programming> http://wmppluginsnet.codeplex.com/
[09:15]<@bc_programming> looks like it's only for visualization plugins
[09:15]<mib_3vombt> yeah i found that too
[09:15]<mib_3vombt> but i need specific info
[09:15]<mib_3vombt> and for ui plugiins
[09:16]<@bc_programming> specific info?
[09:16]<mib_3vombt> about the lib i should use
[09:16]<mib_3vombt> i have imported the wmp.dll lib
[09:16]<mib_3vombt> but i am not sure if that is enough
[09:17]<mib_3vombt> i'll fill u in, in a min
[09:20]<@bc_programming> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd564686%28v=vs.85%29.aspx << actual SDK docs
[09:20]<@bc_programming> there is no "library" to import. you need to create the Interface definition yourself, I think
[09:21]<mib_3vombt> yea yeah
[09:21]<mib_3vombt> but in the wmp.dll there is no IWMPPluginUI interface
[09:22]<mib_3vombt> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd563591(v=vs.85).aspx
[09:22]<@bc_programming> the main interface you need to implement is IWMPPluginUI. that is normally defined in a C++ header file
[09:23]<mib_3vombt> the only interface i found in wmp.dll that is close to that interface is IWMPPluginUIHost
[09:23]<@bc_programming> it's not in the file. the interface is defined in the C++ header file from the SDK
[09:24]<mib_3vombt> ah, i needed that info
[09:24]<mib_3vombt> i'm not really familiar with windows lib
[09:24]<mib_3vombt> so i have to download the sdk?
[09:24]<@bc_programming> no. the SDK would be useless from .NET...
[09:25]<mib_3vombt> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/xwzy44e4(VS.71).aspx
[09:25]<mib_3vombt> seemingly they can be converted
[09:25]<mib_3vombt> isn't interop for that purpose?
[09:26]<@bc_programming> http://bc-programming.com/misc/IWMPPluginUI.cs
[09:27]<@bc_programming> \ref
[09:27]<@bc_programming> http://www.theleagueofpaul.com/codesnippet-managed-windows-media-plugins.html
[09:29]<mib_3vombt> very nice link, thx
[09:29]<mib_3vombt> trying to find in what dll is it located
[09:29]<@bc_programming> interop is for using external dll functions, not for COM... COM interop is for dealing with COM libraries, but not all COM interfaces are defined in a type library
[09:30]<@bc_programming> for example IWMPPluginUI isn't in any type library, so you can't "use" it without defining it yourself (like the above)
[09:31]<mib_3vombt> aha
[09:33]<mib_3vombt> so i have to actually define it myself, like it doesn't exist in the lib right?
[09:33]<@bc_programming> yes
[09:34]<mib_3vombt> and it implements the iunknown interface
[09:34]<@bc_programming> yep, as all COM objects do
[09:34]<mib_3vombt> ok very good info, thx very much
[09:34]<@bc_programming> you don't need to define IUnknown because you can set an attribute to indicate that
[09:35]<@bc_programming> yw
[09:36]<mib_3vombt> yeah i know, like in the above link
[09:36]<@bc_programming> yep
[09:36]<mib_3vombt> i really like client app development
[09:36]<Tux2> Lol, I'm slowly understanding how this new listener system for bukkit works...
[09:36]<mib_3vombt> it appeals me much more than web
[09:37]<mib_3vombt> it is very intriguing to me
[09:37]<@bc_programming> all this talk of COM makes me want to re-write my VB6 class for showing the explorer-right click menu in C#
[09:38]<Tux2> lol
[09:38]<@bc_programming> at least I'll be able to write the actual COM classes as C# code rather than having to write IDL, and compile a type library
[09:38]<mib_3vombt> i want to create a gracenote plugin for wmp
[09:38]<mib_3vombt> i miss it, while winamp has it
[09:39]<mib_3vombt> i dont use winamp
[09:39]<@bc_programming> I do :P
[09:39]<mib_3vombt> many do
[09:39]<mib_3vombt> but i dont feel like having two programs installed for basically the same purpose
[09:40]<Tux2> lol, I don't use either, I use Totem and Rhythm Box.
[09:41]<@bc_programming> you also use linux which puts you in the 1% already
[09:41]<Tux2> lol
[09:42]<@bc_programming> heh
[09:42]<Tux2> Make that 5% ;)
[09:42]<@bc_programming> depends who you ask
[09:42]<mib_3vombt> linux , what a torture to use
[09:42]<mib_3vombt> seriously
[09:42]<mib_3vombt> i have to use it at work
[09:42]<mib_3vombt> first fedora, now Ubuntu
[09:43]<+pottsi> ...
[09:43]<+pottsi> ho dare you
[09:43]<mib_3vombt> tho i have to admit Ubuntu sucks way less than fedora
[09:43]<Tux2> lol, that's your problem...
[09:43]<Tux2> I use Linux Mint
[09:43]<+pottsi> i hope your computer a slow and painful death
[09:43]<@bc_programming> haha classic...
[09:43]<@bc_programming> "I don't like linux"
[09:43]<+pottsi> dies*
[09:43]<@bc_programming> "thats YOUR FAULT!"
[09:43]<Tux2> lol
[09:43]<mib_3vombt> no seriously
[09:43]<mib_3vombt> gedit crashed like every few minutes
[09:43]<mib_3vombt> for gods sake, a simple editor
[09:43]<@bc_programming> well to be fair that is atypical
[09:43]<Tux2> Um, you're kidding right?
[09:44]<+pottsi> gedit never crashed for i
[09:44]<mib_3vombt> NO
[09:44]<Tux2> I've never had a gedit crash...
[09:44]<mib_3vombt> the latest version on an imac
[09:44]<@bc_programming> ahh
[09:44]<mib_3vombt> but i did
[09:44]<Tux2> ah....
[09:44]<mib_3vombt> it is irrelevant
[09:44]<@bc_programming> there's the problem... imac...
[09:44]<mib_3vombt> i knew
[09:44]<mib_3vombt> u would say it
[09:44]<mib_3vombt> i gave u the feed
[09:44]<@bc_programming> why are you running ubuntu on an imac?
[09:44]<+pottsi> lol
[09:45]<mib_3vombt> at work, it is a must
[09:45]<Tux2> lol, I would have to say, we all have our personal prefrences.
[09:45]<@bc_programming> the imac, or ubuntu?:
[09:45]<mib_3vombt> imac
[09:45]<@bc_programming> so, why ubuntu?
[09:45]<mib_3vombt> does it matter tho
[09:45]<@bc_programming> Surely OSX would run better
[09:45]<mib_3vombt> it is still a computer
[09:45]<mib_3vombt> and it has drivers for it
[09:45]<+pottsi> it is still a computer << just
[09:46]<mib_3vombt> how is a text editor crash even remotely related to the system it runs on
[09:46]<@bc_programming> one is lucky to get windows running properly with a mac via bootcamp sometimes...
[09:46]<mib_3vombt> it is not the graphics issue i am talking about
[09:46]<mib_3vombt> the nautilus or whatever it is called
[09:47]<mib_3vombt> it also crashed
[09:47]<@bc_programming> file browser
[09:47]<Tux2> compiz
[09:47]<mib_3vombt> untll i installed ubuntu
[09:47]<Tux2> Oh...
[09:47]<mib_3vombt> and it is running pretty well
[09:47]<mib_3vombt> except for a few problems
[09:47]<@bc_programming> alright now I'm confused
[09:47]<mib_3vombt> like the brightness thing that NEVER sticks
[09:47]<mib_3vombt> goes up on its own
[09:48]<Tux2> Every OS has it's quirks, it just depends on the quirks that you want to deal with...
[09:49]<+pottsi> http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2012/01/senate-caves-pipa-delaying-vote/47654/
[09:49]<mib_3vombt> yeah windows has them too
[09:50]<mib_3vombt> but they are not that primitive
[09:50]<Tux2> lol, BSOD
[09:50]<mib_3vombt> bullshoit
[09:50]<@bc_programming> tux2: please... be serious here
[09:50]<@bc_programming> when was the last time you ever saw one of those on a PC you maintained?
[09:50]<mib_3vombt> never had one since Vista
[09:51]<@bc_programming> the last time I had a BSOD had to be at least a year ago myself
[09:51]<Tux2> Last time i booted windows 7 on my last computer...
[09:51]<@bc_programming> and yet my laptop kernel panics everytime I shutdown Linux mint
[09:52]<@bc_programming> It's fine though since, well, I'm shutting down so don't really care, heh
[09:52]<mib_3vombt> alright whatever, thx for the help bc_programming
[09:52]<Tux2> Although the "quirk" i really dislike about windows is the constant "Installing updates" and "nagging you of updates" and "we need to restart your computer due to updates"
[09:52]<@bc_programming> yeah I hate that. that's why I disabled it using this magical config dialog
[09:52]<mib_3vombt> Tux2: well guess what
[09:53]<Tux2> lol, of course you can disable it.
[09:53]<mib_3vombt> i updated fedora and it forced me a log off and on
[09:53]<Tux2> of course, when there is a kernel update. About once a month.
[09:53]<@bc_programming> So, what's worse... the fact that Windows defaults to updating automatically and provides a good UI for disabling it, or the fact that you have to rip apart Mint just to change the bloody GDM background
[09:53]<mib_3vombt> there is restarts, thats the point
[09:54]<@bc_programming> that honestly really pissed me off. "Linux is more configurable" true, but sometimes just finding the proper config file is a freaking quest
[09:54]<Tux2> lol, gdm background on start?
[09:54]<@bc_programming> yes, that
[09:54]<Tux2> or the one on the desktop/
[09:54]<mib_3vombt> Tux2: and again guess what
[09:55]<@bc_programming> and then I had to go through ANOTHER series of steps to change the one that shows on the locked screen
[09:55]<mib_3vombt> a freaking 300mbs of updates
[09:55]<@bc_programming> I was able to make them different though that was pretty cool
[09:55]<mib_3vombt> and i was thinking alright no more crashes and brightness mess
[09:55]<mib_3vombt> But ALL problems were still there
[09:55]<@bc_programming> Linux Mint 10 Worksforme (tm)
[09:55]<Tux2> If I remember right windows 7 had a service pack that was over 1GB?
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[09:55]<mib_3vombt> yeah and it fixed REAL things
[09:56]<@bc_programming> I just wish there was a proper upgrade path... rather than wiping everything
[09:56]<mib_3vombt> and windows has a freaking BIG legacy app responsibility
[09:56]<mib_3vombt> u linux guys NEED to realize it
[09:56]<@bc_programming> well, a supported one, I mean... sure, I could point my repo thingamajig at Mint 12 repositories but that's just going to cause problems in the long run I figure
[09:56]<mib_3vombt> u guys with 1 petty 1% market share may not realize it
[09:57]<mib_3vombt> Tux2: a serious question now
[09:57]<Tux2> sure
[09:57]<mib_3vombt> when i was installing ubuntu over fedora
[09:57]<mib_3vombt> i wiped the home partition
[09:57]<mib_3vombt> ok no problem
[09:57]<mib_3vombt> and i set the /home dir to the fedora one
[09:58]<mib_3vombt> and used the same username as the fedora
[09:58]<mib_3vombt> must there be any problems with that kind of installation?
[09:58]<Tux2> There are config files that might have changed...
[09:59]<@bc_programming> yes, considering installing over an existing install is probably already a bad idea... heck you can't even install a later version of many distros over a previous version, you pretty much have to start clean
[09:59]<mib_3vombt> i couldn;t login
[09:59]<mib_3vombt> i couldn't login
[09:59]<Tux2> Um, did you set the user ID manually to the same user ID in fedora?
[09:59]<mib_3vombt> the credential files was corrupt
[10:00]<mib_3vombt> during installation i chose my username same as fedora
[10:00]<mib_3vombt> but i DIDNT expect any errors to pop up
[10:00]<mib_3vombt> 'cause there were no warnings!
[10:00]<@bc_programming> yeah but that's just a text string, the important bit is the UID, which is a number
[10:00]<Tux2> exactly
[10:00]<Tux2> some distros start with a different number.
[10:00]<@bc_programming> well considering installing one distro right over top of another is a "we assume you know what you are doing" type of scenario...
[10:00]<mib_3vombt> i dont remember entering a uid
[10:01]<Tux2> You don't usually. it's in the advanced menu since the OS does it automatically
[10:01]<mib_3vombt> they are all linux right?
[10:01]<mib_3vombt> why should they conflict?
[10:01]<@bc_programming> do you remember entering a SID when you installed Windows?
[10:01]<Tux2> Sure, and Ice cream is icecream....
[10:02]<Tux2> Different distros start numbering the UIDs different.
[10:02]<mib_3vombt> and Windows is a mess?
[10:02]<@bc_programming> have you ever installed NT4 over top of 2000?
[10:02]<mib_3vombt> no, not talking server os
[10:03]<@bc_programming> ok. have you installed Windows 95 over windows 98 then
[10:03]<mib_3vombt> and we are talking concurrent oses
[10:03]<@bc_programming> or XP over vista
[10:03]<@bc_programming> or Vista over 7
[10:03]<@bc_programming> dual?
[10:03]<mib_3vombt> as i said, both parallel os
[10:03]<mib_3vombt> ubuntu and fedora
[10:03]<mib_3vombt> both current os
[10:03]<@bc_programming> you said you installed it over top
[10:03]<Tux2> They are both maintained by different people, therefore they have differences.
[10:03]<mib_3vombt> still not similar to what u said about windiws
[10:04]<@bc_programming> yes it is
[10:04]<mib_3vombt> wihdows* bc_programming
[10:04]<Tux2> For example, I have 2 computers, one with Linux Mint, one with Debian. Both with the exact same users....
[10:04]<mib_3vombt> xp over 7?
[10:04]<@bc_programming> because the various distros can't be expected to know about every single other distro in existence and how to properly configure their install to work with it
[10:04]<Tux2> one has a uid of 1000 while the other one has a uid of 1001
[10:04]<+Craig> What do you mean over?
[10:04]<mib_3vombt> i didnt install version 9 of ubuntu over the latest fedora
[10:04]<mib_3vombt> u get it?
[10:04]<+Craig> Thats a very strange way of saying it?
[10:05]<@bc_programming> like I said, you can't expect every single newer distro to know about every single older distro and how to work with it
[10:05]<mib_3vombt> bc_programming: not newer and older os we are talking about
[10:05]<@bc_programming> with windows it's more closed; a newer version of windows can easily be made to deal with all previous versions, since there aren't like ten billion builds
[10:05]<mib_3vombt> they were both the latest
[10:05]<mib_3vombt> version
[10:05]<@bc_programming> yes
[10:06]<mib_3vombt> bc_programming: that's what im saying
[10:06]<@bc_programming> how is expecting a latest version to know everything about another latest version more reasonable than expecting it to know everything about previous versions?
[10:06]<@bc_programming> So basically, you are just complaining that it's hard
[10:06]<mib_3vombt> because i am comparing windows
[10:07]<@bc_programming> I can't disagree that it's a gigantic pain in the ass but there is a difference between picking nits and pointing out actual legitimate issues that cam be fixed
[10:07]<mib_3vombt> so that is reasonable
[10:07]<mib_3vombt> from a newbe linux user standpoint
[10:07]<mib_3vombt> it is a legitimate complain
[10:07]<@bc_programming> comparing linux to windows is pretty silly. If you ask me there is absolutely no reason for them to target the same userbase, at least as it stands today
[10:07]<mib_3vombt> bc_programming: ditto
[10:07]<mib_3vombt> i agree
[10:08]<Tux2> Also, usually if you are distro hopping and using the same home directory you need to make sure you use the same userID
[10:08]<mib_3vombt> at my workplace the tux guys constantly preach to Windows users to install Linux
[10:08]<@bc_programming> No, you are complaining that it's different. I could complain while learning japanese that it's different from japanese and point out flaws in the language semantics, but I'm still looking at it as a English speaker, a Japanese native no doubt has the same stumbling blocks while learning english and blames the same things
[10:09]<@bc_programming> yeah I hate that... FOSS advocacy pisses me off big time tbh
[10:09]<Tux2> lol mib_3vombt, linux isn't for everyone.
[10:09]<mib_3vombt> no japanese and english comparison
[10:09]<mib_3vombt> both were linux
[10:09]<mib_3vombt> same stuff basically
[10:09]<@bc_programming> you kjust said you were comparing linux and windows
[10:09]<@bc_programming> windows isn't linux, last I checked
[10:09]<mib_3vombt> linux not for everyone? so what about linux for human beings? :)
[10:10]<Tux2> i never said that.
[10:10]<mib_3vombt> yes, but i am actually trying to point out the fault with some tux guys
[10:10]<Tux2> Yes, I know about them....
[10:11]<mib_3vombt> bc_programming: haven't u met tux fans that try to wipe every windows machine clean?
[10:11]<@bc_programming> they piss me off too
[10:11]<mib_3vombt> and install linux, because it is free
[10:11]<Tux2> That's just plain stupid
[10:11]<@bc_programming> I haven't met any because if I did I'd be in jail for assault
[10:11]<mib_3vombt> lol
[10:11]<mib_3vombt> they are at my workplace
[10:11]<Tux2> I use linux because it works best for what I do... I don't have to install 50 programs just to get it to do what I need it to do...
[10:11]<@bc_programming> I particularly hate the ones that borrow other peoples laptops and think they are doing the owner a "favour" by wiping the entire computer and installing Linux
[10:12]<mib_3vombt> one of them has completely ignored his main job for 1 month now
[10:12]<mib_3vombt> and is installing kernel for gentoo linux
[10:12]<mib_3vombt> and other geek stuff
[10:12]<mib_3vombt> his freaking monitor shows no sign of work
[10:12]<@bc_programming> "It's not your laptop! DON'T TOUCH the fecking OS or it's config"! I mean, holy crap, I don't even change the bloody background wallpaper and they're willing to reformat the entire PC, without a backup
[10:12]<@bc_programming> sorry went on for a bit there
[10:12]<+camerongray> I do like linux but still use Win7 for most stuf
[10:12]<mib_3vombt> and only shows a waterfall of white characters and a black screen
[10:12]<+camerongray> f
[10:12]<Tux2> lol, I agree with you there bc
[10:13]<Tux2> mib_3vombt: if he's still stuck trying to install gentoo then he has a worse problem...
[10:13]<mib_3vombt> no he loves to cuddle with it
[10:13]<@bc_programming> I figure if he is even installing gentoo he already has a problem...
[10:13]<mib_3vombt> lol exactly
[10:13]<Tux2> I had a working gui in 12 hours in gentoo...
[10:13]<mib_3vombt> he prefers no-gui stuff
[10:14]<@bc_programming> 12 hours
[10:14]<Tux2> and most of that time I spent away from the screen...
[10:14]<@bc_programming> gentoo is for people who want to feel cool watching a waterfall of text going down the screen
[10:14]<mib_3vombt> he sounds like he is watching porn or soemthing watching the huge unix-style screen
[10:14]<@bc_programming> and when somebody asks what they are doing they can act like they actually know any C
[10:14]<mib_3vombt> playing with the kernel
[10:14]<@bc_programming> "I'm compiling gentoo"
[10:15]<mib_3vombt> yes exactly :))
[10:15]<Tux2> lol, you don't need to know any C to compile gentoo...
[10:15]<@bc_programming> that's my point
[10:15]<mib_3vombt> yeah
[10:15]<@bc_programming> there is no reason to compile something yourself unless you've changed it, if you ask me
[10:15]<mib_3vombt> gotta go, like u guys, whatever os u use
[10:16]<mib_3vombt> bye
[10:16]<mib_3vombt> :)
[10:16]<@bc_programming> bye :)
[10:16]<+camerongray> The only time I installed Linux over windows was on PCs I manage for a local youth club - They had XP but were WAY too slow and kept getting infected, so I put lubuntu on them and they work great now
[10:16]<Tux2> mib_3vombt: just for the record, all the computers I build for people comes with windows 7, I rarely bring up the subject of linux with them...
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[10:16]<@bc_programming> camerongray: as always, late to the party :P
[10:16]<+camerongray> lol
[10:16]<Tux2> lol
[10:17]<+camerongray> They finally replaced most of them with Win7 HP 625s
[10:17]<Tux2> Main point: We all use what we use because it gets the job done for what we need it for.
[10:17]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:17]<+camerongray> Still use the two Celeron laptops with linux but the rest are stacked in a cupboard
[10:17]<+camerongray> Linux worked well for them as they were only really ever used for facebook
[10:18]<Tux2> :)
[10:18]<@bc_programming> I still wish I could get my old 440CDX working with one of the network cards I got... poor little fella freezes solid with both
[10:18]<+camerongray> I do like having windows though - I have imaged the HPs and just dump a new image every month or so
[10:18]<Tux2> :)
[10:19]<+camerongray> They are great little systems for ?280 each
[10:19]<+camerongray> Athlon P320
[10:19]<+camerongray> 3gb ram
[10:19]<+camerongray> 320gb hdd
[10:19]<+camerongray> And Windows 7 Pro
[10:20]<Tux2> bc_programming: for the record, I just don't like the "I'm in your face, you've got updates to install" part of windows, in linux it just pops up a little icon in the tray, that's it, no big messages blocking everything in the bottom right corner of the screen ever hour or so...
[10:20]<+camerongray> all but one of the ones before were literally pulled out of the bin
[10:20]<@bc_programming> Tux2: I don't get that...
[10:21]<+camerongray> At one point we had parts from a packard bell, hp, dell and custom built all in the one PC
[10:21]<Tux2> i want to get notified of updates, but in an un-obtrusive manner... I don't want to turn of all notifications and have to check manually as I would forget...
[10:21]<@bc_programming> "Download updates but let me choose whether to install them"
[10:22]<@bc_programming> I think all I get is a balloon once a month
[10:22]<Tux2> lol, i have that option checked, thing is you can't reboot the system without them installing...
[10:22]<@bc_programming> I don't reboot frequently enough that that is an issue, myself
[10:22]<Tux2> But remember, I only go into windows about once a month as well...
[10:23]<@bc_programming> though it didn't install when I was rebooting earlier and it says I have updates available to install
[10:23]<Tux2> as what I am usually doing integrates with linux most of the time...
[10:23]<Tux2> I don't know what's up with mine then...
[10:23]<Tux2> It must think it knows better or something...
[10:23]<+camerongray> I miss those trash picked PCs - we actually had a cupboard full of half stripped PCs and parts to repair the ones in use when they broke which was very common
[10:24]<+camerongray> At one point we had a Pentium 1 with Windows 98
[10:24]<@bc_programming> well really they're damned if they do and damned if they don't
[10:24]<Tux2> exactly bc_programming
[10:24]<@bc_programming> if they don't automatically update, "haha, Windows doesn't always make sure it's secure" if they do "haha wow that is annoying to have it popup"
[10:24]<@bc_programming> sort of the same with UAC
[10:24]<@bc_programming> people really go out of their way to misunderstand the purpose of UAC though
[10:24]<Tux2> eyup
[10:25]<@bc_programming> or the people that complain that "why is it saying I'm not an administrator it's my machine"
[10:26]<Tux2> Another thing windows doesn't give me is the ability to update all my apps at once...
[10:26]<Tux2> All the apps seem to have their own updaters which try to pop up as well and run on login....
[10:26]<@bc_programming> that's not windows fault, that's idiot app makers
[10:27]<Tux2> yeah
[10:27]<@bc_programming> who think their program is super important
[10:27]<@bc_programming> like adobe
[10:27]<Tux2> You wouldn't believe the list of starup programs I've disabled...
[10:27]<Tux2> startup*
[10:27]<@bc_programming> "we didn't ask u but we put a startup to make sure your adobe programs are updated"
[10:27]<Tux2> ha ha! that one's the worst
[10:27]<@bc_programming> and best part is it doesn't even work half the time
[10:28]<@bc_programming> just like the java updater
[10:28]<Tux2> :) And java is another one...
[10:28]<@bc_programming> although I had a similar issue with Synaptic, tbh
[10:28]<@bc_programming> "your firefox is up to date"
[10:28]<+camerongray> Tux2, What distro do you use?
[10:28]<Tux2> Linux Mint
[10:28]<@bc_programming> version 3.4.24
[10:28]<+camerongray> cool
[10:28]<Tux2> I went distro hopping for a while seeing what they all had to offer...
[10:28]<@bc_programming> I managed to force FF9 to install though by pointing to a new repo
[10:28]<Tux2> ha ha bc_programming!
[10:29]<Tux2> What distro?
[10:29]<@bc_programming> Mint 10
[10:29]<Tux2> That's why...
[10:29]<@bc_programming> both firefox and the package manager said it was the most up to date version
[10:29]<Tux2> You update Mint, it updates firefox...
[10:30]<@bc_programming> err... no it didn't, I tried everything to get FF 9
[10:30]<Tux2> Yes, the most up to date version for that version of Mint. They were just doing bug fixes on it.
[10:30]<@bc_programming> synaptic, the update manager thing etc
[10:30]<Tux2> I know
[10:30]<@bc_programming> so I can't actually keep my applications updated without doing extra work...
[10:30]<Tux2> I just downloaded ff 9 in Mint 11
[10:30]<Tux2> Came in automatically
[10:30]<@bc_programming> but installing another version of Mint would mean a clean install
[10:30]<Tux2> yeah
[10:31]<Tux2> Keep your home folder. ;)
[10:31]<@bc_programming> what is the point of tweaking the various configuration files and whatnot when you just wipe it all with a new installation?
[10:31]<Tux2> Who says I tweak the config files that much?
[10:31]<+camerongray> For some reason I am tempted to hackintosh my PC :P
[10:31]<@bc_programming> I do
[10:31]<Tux2> lol, you should go gentoo. :)
[10:32]<+camerongray> Can't get the damn thing to boot off the CD
[10:32]<@bc_programming> me? no. don't even suggest it
[10:32]<Tux2> That one is a rolling release.
[10:32]<Tux2> Just get a distro that has a rolling release and you'll be set.
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[10:32]<+camerongray> Using a retail disc and the boot cd but stupid thing boots the installer then reboots the PC
[10:32]<@bc_programming> gentoo is pointless. people say you learn more about linux, but you don't, you just end up copy-pasting terminal commands, and watching text scroll... Arch and Slackware would do a lot more to teach
[10:33]<@bc_programming> just getting XFCE working in Slackware was a learning experience
[10:33]<@bc_programming> then I saw that it had 'iceweasel' google'd why I suddenly lost interest in it
[10:33]<Tux2> Well, it depends on the angle when you do gentoo, a simple copy/paste stuff you surely don't learn anything.
[10:34]<Tux2> Although honestly I just did it for the speed on my laptop.
[10:34]<Tux2> Not to learn anything.
[10:35]<Tux2> might have to try arch linux on it next so I can actually learn something.
[10:36]<@bc_programming> but wait, I thought the codewasamanual(tm) :P
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[10:36]<Tux2> Huh? (joke went over my head apparently...)
[10:36]<@bc_programming> people will say you can learn a lot about linux by looking at the source... but I don't think they've done that themselves
[10:37]<Tux2> lol, yeah.
[10:37]<Tux2> Gentoo is just a distro you have to compile, no real learning except that you automatically add the flags apps need when requested...
[10:38]<@bc_programming> Yes. I know.
[10:38]<Tux2> I've had several people say: "You should make your own distro", which I reply: "Uh, sorry, I don't want to have to maintain one..."
[10:39]<Tux2> Besides, I don't want to have to delve into the application's code just to fix an annoying bug that another distro has fixed in their version.
[10:40]<@bc_programming> yep
[10:40]<@bc_programming> you know how Notch/Mojang said Minecraft would eventually go Open Source?
[10:41]<Tux2> That's why I chose gentoo, I wanted it optimized to the computer so that I could get a speed boost, not so I would have to fiddle with code...
[10:41]<@bc_programming> you know the moment they do... bam.. endless forks
[10:41]<Tux2> He said it might, never said it would hapen...
[10:41]<Tux2> lol! I know!
[10:41]<@bc_programming> no, he said would, iirc... it was on his blog somewhere
[10:41]<@bc_programming> but it won't be for a very long time since he said after it stops making money/being profitable
[10:41]<Tux2> There will be soooo many different versions out there you'll need a jar switcher just to switch between them...
[10:42]<@bc_programming> probably worse than that... watch there be forks that corrupt other forks worlds just by enumerating them and stuff
[10:42]<Tux2> of course!
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[10:43]<Tux2> I bet some of the bigger minecraft servers will even have their "approved client" which everyone has to download for their server with a custom set of mods they've done specifically for that server.
[10:44]<@bc_programming> I still haven't found a jungle biome
[10:44]<@bc_programming> but I don't think I'm generating new chunks yet either
[10:45]<+camerongray> Tux
[10:45]<Tux2> you won't find a jungle biome on a 1.1 map
[10:45]<+camerongray> How to I TP to craigsworld?
[10:45]<Tux2> you either have to change the generator manually, or make a new map.
[10:45]<Tux2> ./mv tp craigworld
[10:45]<Tux2> Although I don't think I gave you that permission yet
[10:46]<@bc_programming> oh
[10:46]<+camerongray> Ahh
[10:46]<@bc_programming> great so my frolicing randomly through the world was for naught
[10:46]<Tux2> ha ha bc_programming!
[10:46]<@bc_programming> me opens nbtedit
[10:46]<@bc_programming> oh tip, don't go afk with the sound turned down
[10:47]<Tux2> lol....
[10:47]<@bc_programming> I was smelting stuff so I figured I'd go afk so I dug a little hole in the wall and covered myself up
[10:47]<Tux2> zombie attacks, ouch!
[10:47]<@bc_programming> used my laptop for an hour, looked to my computer and the entire place was exploded
[10:47]<Tux2> ha ha!
[10:47]<Tux2> creepers got to you huh?
[10:47]<@bc_programming> had to have been three creepers
[10:48]<@bc_programming> that's the thing, I was sealed in dirt!
[10:48]<@bc_programming> it's a mystery it is
[10:48]<Tux2> cam, are you on the server at the moment?
[10:49]<Tux2> I would like to get you the right permissions.
[10:50]<+camerongray> Going on now
[10:51]<@bc_programming> there we go, changed the generator version
[10:51]<Tux2> :)
[10:56]<@bc_programming> now I need to open mcedit to figure out how far I need to go, haha
[10:59]<Tux2> lol
[11:00]<@bc_programming> I'm probably better off just starting another world
[11:00]<Tux2> Here's a question for you, when 1.2 comes out what should I do about the new terrain?
[11:00]<@bc_programming> though I'm starting to get sick of starting over, heh
[11:00]<+camerongray> I'd leave it
[11:01]<+camerongray> Or copy the spawn town to bedrock onto a new map
[11:01]<@bc_programming> well since I've not even really played on the current world it won't matter to me, lol
[11:01]<+camerongray> Was also thinking of a mod
[11:01]<+camerongray> That when run by an admin would replace some stone with ores, could be good when the map starts running low on stuff
[11:01]<@bc_programming> that's a interesting idea
[11:02]<Tux2> There's ore regenerators out there...
[11:02]<+camerongray> Ahh
[11:03]<+camerongray> Could also have it so for a payment you would fill a used mine in with stone and ores again
[11:03]<+camerongray> Such as my strip mine - it's getting really long
[11:03]<Tux2> I could do that...
[11:03]<Tux2> I can do a //regen fairly quickly
[11:03]<+camerongray> As in it takes ages to get to the end
[11:03]<@bc_programming> do you mean strip mine or branch mine
[11:03]<+camerongray> I think it's strip
[11:03]<@bc_programming> a strip mine would be stripping the land down to the ores...
[11:03]<Tux2> he probably means branch mine...
[11:04]<+camerongray> One big tunnel and strips coming out the end
[11:04]<+camerongray> sides*
[11:04]<@bc_programming> sort of like when craig had his giant pit
[11:04]<+camerongray> Ahh - branch then
[11:04]<@bc_programming> :P
[11:04]<+Craig> I remember that... :)
[11:04]<+camerongray> Come on again!
[11:04]<Tux2> i always call it strip mining too cam...
[11:04]<Tux2> hey Craig, do you have any of the older worlds you guys used to play on before I came on?
[11:05]<+Craig> no...
[11:05]<Tux2> Bummer...
[11:05]<@bc_programming> there was only one before the one you have, if I recall
[11:05]<@bc_programming> well, that he made public to us anyway :P
[11:06]<Tux2> Ah...
[11:06]<@bc_programming> I still have my SSP from Alpha 1.2.5, lol
[11:06]<@bc_programming> my glass fort has a bed made of wool blocks...
[11:06]<Tux2> I guess we can't do that map as a "way back before Tux2's Minecraft Server"
[11:07]<+camerongray> Yeah
[11:07]<+camerongray> I take it none of the players ever got a copy of it?
[11:07]<+camerongray> Or it could be lying around on an old hard drive
[11:08]<@bc_programming> I don't think that one was ever made available
[11:09]<+camerongray> yeah
[11:10]<+camerongray> Just wondering in case someone had it for some reason
[11:10]<@bc_programming> I'm looking, I doubt it though
[11:10]<+camerongray> yeah
[11:10]<@bc_programming> I have like 6 different .minecraft folders
[11:11]<+camerongray> lol
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[11:12]<@bc_programming> hmm I have a "world" folder and a "world.old" folder
[11:12]<@bc_programming> dunno what those are
[11:12]<@bc_programming> they are before McRegion at least
[11:17]<@bc_programming> nvm, they are from servers I ran temporarily
[11:19]<Tux2> lol
[11:22]<@bc_programming> so started a new world after all
[11:23]<@bc_programming> spawned with an NPC village in sight, cool
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[11:59]<+Mulreay> took a power hour... didn't do much
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[12:21]<+Mulreay> Need some HTML type help if anyone is around
[12:45]<@bc_programming> hi
[12:46]<+Mulreay> hello
[12:46]<@bc_programming> still need HTML help?
[12:48]<+Mulreay> Oh yeah... it's a strange one... basically when I type my URL into something like Facebook there is no image.. yet If I type something like CH into Facebook an image of Nathans choosing comes up.. I think it needs to be written into pages.. bit confused
[12:49]<@bc_programming> hmm
[12:50]<@bc_programming> not sure I know what you mean
[12:50]<+Mulreay> Hard to explain without showing I know
[12:51]<+Mulreay> give me a sec.. images to follow
[12:54]<+Mulreay> CH http://imagebin.org/194648 SAS http://imagebin.org/194649
[12:56]<@bc_programming> ok, doing some searches
[12:57]<+Mulreay> I tried to look, couldn't find anything that I could well understand
[12:58]<@bc_programming> This looks promising
[12:58]<@bc_programming> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=how%20to%20get%20your%20url%20to%20have%20a%20thumbnail%20in%20facebook&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEgQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gravitationalfx.com%2Fhow-to-make-facebook-use-a-custom-thumbnail-image-for-your-website%2F&ei=WMYZT8jQFsHiiAK3geXaCA&usg=AFQjCNHApYAg_cPd0rJ2dm0dmHuRJjp73w&cad=rja
[12:58]<@bc_programming> but I'm not sure because it's still loading for me, lol
[12:58]<+Mulreay> wow, guess they don't sign to 'friendly URL's'
[12:59]<@bc_programming> thats google I think
[12:59]<@bc_programming> ok gimme a sec going to try something to mine, then we can see if that worked
[13:00]<+Mulreay> cool
[13:00]<+Mulreay> looks promising
[13:01]<@bc_programming> yeah I couldn't load that page and had to go with another result myself, lol
[13:01]<+Mulreay> mm wordpress though...
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[13:04]<+Mulreay> Don't think it will work... keeps looking
[13:04] * ChanbotV sets mode: +v Craig
[13:04]<@bc_programming> well I managed to feck up my site anyway :/ I'm trying to put <link rel="image_src" href="image.png" /> in the <head>
[13:05]<+Mulreay> heh
[13:05]<+Mulreay> sorry
[13:05]<@bc_programming> no my ftp client is a pos
[13:05]<@bc_programming> or rather my connection is
[13:05]<+Mulreay> yeah your URL now shows just a white screen
[13:05]<@bc_programming> that's because I downloaded index.php, made changes, and am now attempting to upload them
[13:06]<@bc_programming> of course the ftp client doesn't actually, you know, show any progress
[13:06]<+Mulreay> of course... filezilla?
[13:06]<@bc_programming> no. ftp
[13:06]<@bc_programming> (terminal app)
[13:07]<+Mulreay> oh
[13:08]<@bc_programming> cancelled
[13:08]<@bc_programming> who transfer rate was almost 100 bytes a second
[13:08]<@bc_programming> ooh*
[13:08]<+Mulreay> lol
[13:09]<+Craig> I use FTP surfer
[13:09]<+Mulreay> site is still down
[13:09]<@bc_programming> yes I know. I control-C'd
[13:09]<+Mulreay> hey Craig
[13:09]<@bc_programming> I'm going to try using the back-end file manager instead
[13:09]<+Craig> Hey Graham
[13:10]<+Craig> I did a stupid thing today...
[13:10]<+Craig> Deleted my 1TB partition
[13:10]<+Mulreay> How big is the drive?
[13:10]<+Craig> Had to go in an restore it with a utility on my BorgXP DVD. :P
[13:10]<@bc_programming> :/
[13:10]<+Craig> 1TB drive. :p
[13:10]<+Craig> whats with the :/ ?
[13:11]<+Mulreay> I have a 1tb with 5 partitions
[13:11]<+Craig> Why so many?
[13:11]<@bc_programming> I don't think I can fix it... I have hardly any upload bandwidth
[13:12]<+Craig> send a text version to me and I could upload it?
[13:12]<+Craig> if you wanted...
[13:12]<@bc_programming> sending a file is going to need upload bandwidth regardless of where I send it
[13:12]<+Mulreay> Porn, Films, Music, Comedy and recording for youtube..
[13:12]<+Mulreay> joking of course
[13:12]<+Craig> Hahahah
[13:13]<+Craig> Hey Mulreay, we still havent made the invites yet, you will get one as soon as we get the pic we want to include. :)
[13:13]<+Mulreay> camerongray said I should do it before I knew that it was not really needed
[13:13]<+Craig> Ahhhh I see, a Camerongray Idea
[13:14]<+camerongray> What?
[13:14]<+Mulreay> lol
[13:14]<@bc_programming> maybe I'll try kicking off one of the 50 other clients connected to the same router
[13:14]<+Craig> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FwmVuZY&h=lAQG7KgetAQFEMq4kgPObiowvoA6iEpElQ7V9IX_fe4Hegg
[13:15]<+Craig> HHAAHHAHAHA thats crazy, do these people realize their hardware is wide open?
[13:15]<+Mulreay> camerongray you told me to partition my 1tb drive so it would be better for de-frag.. which now I know is pointless and don't mention de-frag near bc_programming
[13:15]<@bc_programming> Craig:probably not
[13:15]<@bc_programming> haha
[13:15]<+camerongray> lol - I think I said more for keeping stuff organised
[13:15]<+Craig> HAHAHAH, thats why they made folders!
[13:16]<+Craig> Cameron, you gotta learn :P
[13:16]<+Craig> I wanna get a 7900 ATI card now... :S hahahahah
[13:17]<+Mulreay> Craig gonna go on MC later if you fancy a skype play... thingy
[13:17]<+camerongray> lol
[13:17]<+Craig> That sounds like a plan, I am still working on getting my system up to spec, but I think I could do that for you. :)
[13:17]<@bc_programming> I should not have attempted this
[13:17]<+camerongray> My 560ti works fine :P
[13:18]<+Mulreay> bc_programming fancy joining us later on skype?
[13:18]<+Craig> I wanna get a 7900 series for playing with 6 screens. :> heheheh
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[13:18]<+Mulreay> lol
[13:18]<+Mulreay> very funny
[13:20]<+Mulreay> My computer is a mess... new RAM, new Sound card, New GPU and built like a man with a hammer and chisle
[13:20]<+camerongray> lol - I have 1 screen :P
[13:20]<+camerongray> But now at 1920x1200
[13:21]<+Mulreay> I have 1080p HD for my computer.. had to turn down the res as it hurt my eyes
[13:22]<+Mulreay> 'Hurt my eyes' as in the screen is a 40" tv about 4 meters away...hard to view
[13:30]<+camerongray> lol
[13:33]<+Mulreay> bbl
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[13:34] * ChanServ sets mode: +o bc_programming
[13:34]<@bc_programming> >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
[13:35]<@bc_programming> I'm EXTREMELEY FGUCVKJwtemjw < bm3|?
[13:35]<@bc_programming> that should make it clear
[13:35]<@bc_programming> it took me 5 fecking minutes to send to text "delete"
[13:35]<@bc_programming> I had to cancel a bloody ftp LS command because it was taking too long to send it
[13:35]<@bc_programming> two characters.
[13:37]<@bc_programming> and now, looking for a ftp client that has a progress indicator has become something I'll have to wait for the next ice age for as well since I haven't been able to google it
[13:37]<@bc_programming> meanwhile, my main landing page if <censored> blank
[13:37]<@bc_programming> is*
[13:38]<@bc_programming> GRRRR
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[13:43]<+camerongray> well...
[13:46]<+camerongray> Anyone here?
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[13:47]<+camerongray> wb
[13:49]<@bc_programming> 21947 bytes sent in 120 secs (0.1 kB/s)
[13:49]<+camerongray> lol
[13:49]<+camerongray> I can;t even get on my FTP
[13:49]<@bc_programming> I don't think it's funny
[13:49]<@bc_programming> it's annoying
[13:49]<+camerongray> yeah
[13:49]<@bc_programming> it took almost a full minute just to ls
[13:49]<+camerongray> wow
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[13:50]<+camerongray> wb
[13:51]<@bc_programming> I think kicking off about 30 other clients may have sped things up since though
[13:51] * ChanbotV sets mode: +v Mulreay
[13:51]<+Mulreay> thx
[13:51]<@bc_programming> there were like 10 blackberry's... a bunch of ipods, an ipad, three playstation 3's, a mac, an HP, two Vista computers, etc connected to it
[13:52]<+Mulreay> heh
[13:52]<@bc_programming> however I denied via Mac filtering the ones with the weaker connections. As long as I don't deny the true owner it's fine
[13:52]<+camerongray> HAHAHA!
[13:52]<+camerongray> How busy is your area?
[13:52]<@bc_programming> how do you mean?
[13:52]<+camerongray> How many people are there nearby - seems like a lot of devices!
[13:53]<@bc_programming> well I think the thing is this is the only open router
[13:53]<+Mulreay> Irony is not your thing
[13:53]<@bc_programming> it's the only one I can pick up, so it's probably the only one a lot of other people can pick up
[13:53]<+camerongray> Ahh
[13:54]<@bc_programming> I actually think the real owner might be the one computer connected via a wired connection
[13:54]<@bc_programming> but it's impossible to tell
[13:54]<+camerongray> I can't pick up any networks except for mine
[13:54]<@bc_programming> I had my router sitting open for a while
[13:54]<@bc_programming> heh but it has no internet, I wonder how many people I disappointed
[13:54]<+camerongray> That's the danger though - ISPs supply routers and people treat them as modems and don't realise that it needs secured
[13:55]<@bc_programming> Apparently when we did have internet we were getting scammed
[13:55]<+camerongray> I'm tempted to set an open router and when people try to load a page it just loads a page full of profanities!
[13:55]<+Mulreay> Im like my parents... there are like 20 networks but all protected... they live in a block of flats... that sounds shite... they pay ?1390 per month for there 1 bedroom flat with about 340 other people
[13:56]<@bc_programming> Apparently they were charging for "wifi"
[13:56]<@bc_programming> how can you do that? All we got from them was a cable modem! the Wifi was because <I> bought a 180 dollar router
[13:56]<@bc_programming> not because of any service they were providing
[13:56]<+Mulreay> London is getting free wi-fi soon.. for the shitty olympics
[13:57]<@bc_programming> I had trouble explaining to my mum what a router did
[13:57]<+Mulreay> hhe
[13:57]<@bc_programming> "I don't see why you need that"
[13:57]<+Mulreay> heh*
[13:57]<@bc_programming> "all we have is the cable modem, it only has one connection, this lets more than one person connect"
[13:57]<@bc_programming> "I don't understand"
[13:58]<@bc_programming> "I can't simplify it much more without a diorama"
[13:58]<+Mulreay> I just taught my Mum how to use Skype... she can't start the network like to have actual internet.. but step by step
[13:58]<+camerongray> lol
[13:59]<+camerongray> I'm trying to build my mum a website - this will end well
[13:59]<@bc_programming> but then she said "but why do you need that for wireless"
[13:59]<+Mulreay> ha ha
[13:59]<@bc_programming> "err... I just explained that... all we have is a cable coming from the wall, it goes into a cable modem, which turns that into internet (yes I was simplifying), then that goes into the router and that shares it among friends
[14:00]<@bc_programming> That's when I learned that they were charging us for Wifi
[14:00]<@bc_programming> or rather me because I was paying for it
[14:00]<@bc_programming> I never actually looked at the bill though (oops)
[14:00]<+camerongray> Building it using AJAX which looks really cool but I still need to make the other php side as well for people without JS
[14:00]<@bc_programming> that pissed me off. How can they charge for a service they didn't even try to provide? grrr
[14:01]<@bc_programming> so I terminated the internet part of it, nobody seemed to notice for a good month
[14:02]<+Mulreay> I like how my dog regrets her actions... I let her sit on my bed whilst I spend time here... she's warmer because she's in my room... she annoys me all the time.. her ears prick up as she here
[14:02]<+Mulreay> oop
[14:02]<@bc_programming> then when we couldn't afford the cable/phone anymore, they tried to blame me "well the internet was the most expensive part"
[14:02]<+Mulreay> hears a sound she runs to the door aND i LET HERE OUT
[14:02]<@bc_programming> and I was like "I know, that's why I cancelled it two months ago"
[14:03]<+Mulreay> damn you caps
[14:03]<@bc_programming> "oh"
[14:03]<+Mulreay> That story would have been sooo much better if I had time to type it out
[14:03]<+camerongray> lol
[14:04]<lucifer> lol
[14:05]<@bc_programming> oh, right... now that I managed to get that change uploaded, see what happens when you put bc-programming.com in facebook
[14:06]<+Mulreay> looking
[14:07]<+Mulreay> Needs a www to work but yeah awesome
[14:07]<@bc_programming> ahh
[14:07]<@bc_programming> ok it was <link ref="img_src" href="filename.jpg"> in the <head> section of the page
[14:08]<+Mulreay> http://imagebin.org/194657
[14:09]<@bc_programming> haha cool
[14:10]<+Mulreay> Not sure how I do this
[14:11]<@bc_programming> specifically, I just slapped <link rel="image_src" href="http://bc-programming.com/images/BCLOGO2.jpg" /> into the <head> tag of my index page
[14:11]<@bc_programming> although, I guess you have to use Joomla...
[14:11]<+Mulreay> I can FTP into it and play with files
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[14:14]<@bc_programming> http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?t=494680
[14:14]<@bc_programming> seems like a common problem
[14:15]<@bc_programming> meanwhile, I managed to find a jungle biome yay
[14:15]<+Mulreay> Yeah, seems a major issue... will leave it.. but nice work on yours
[14:16]<@bc_programming> thx, I think I'll upload things as a copy first rather than try to replace the existing file... haha
[14:18]<+Mulreay> rebuilding the site.. seems too much. Will stick with shitty joomla
[14:20]<+Mulreay> I should say joomla is good.. not bad.. and needs pactience
[14:20]<@bc_programming> I'm not familiar with it, myself. Wordpress I sorta fiddle about with
[14:20]<+Mulreay> *patience
[14:21]<+Mulreay> It's tricky
[14:21]<+Mulreay> But then again I don't like wordpress
[14:23]<+camerongray> Try building a CMS from scratch :P
[14:23]<+camerongray> That's what I'm doing now
[14:23]<@bc_programming> ...
[14:23]<@bc_programming> done
[14:23]<@bc_programming> :P
[14:23]<+Mulreay> Do any nurses/doctors/patients know anything about steroid injections (in particular to the eye)? I've had a steroid injected into a piece of cartriledge in my eye and it is supposed to make my eye better within a week. However, it's throbbing like mad, only 2.5 days after the op. Is this normal with steroid injections?
[14:23]<+camerongray> lol
[14:23]<+Mulreay> Love Facebook
[14:23]<@bc_programming> lol
[14:23]<+camerongray> lol
[14:24]<@bc_programming> oh yeah... Jungle biome is the best biome by far
[14:24]<+Mulreay> I would camerongray but I'm shite
[14:24]<+camerongray> lol - You're pretty good
[14:24]<+camerongray> Just need to learn PHP
[14:25]<+Mulreay> true
[14:25]<@bc_programming> if they put the new zombie AI on creepers... Oh dear gawd...
[14:26]<+Mulreay> bc_programming oh I had an idea...
[14:26]<@bc_programming> do tell
[14:28]<+Mulreay> Mum on the phone sorry. Fancy making an awesome map on MC... I'm thinking Red Dwarf style
[14:29]<+Mulreay> Mum still on the phone
[14:30]<+Mulreay> OK she's gone
[14:30]<@bc_programming> lol
[14:30]<@bc_programming> tbh not really... besides, I can't even play MC online so not sure how it would work
[14:30]<@bc_programming> I do like playing maps though, heehee
[14:31]<+Mulreay> I'm gonna start it
[14:32]<@bc_programming> http://bc-programming.com/images/minecraft/pig_tree.png
[14:32]<@bc_programming> apparently jungle trees eat pigs
[14:42]<+Mulreay> Housemates mum is sat downstairs.. awesome... crisp butties it is
[14:42]<@bc_programming> so glad I was able to change my world so that jungle's generated... they rule
[14:43]<@bc_programming> need's a railroad to get to the one I found though... new project I suppose
[14:45]<@bc_programming> better restock my nether supplies first, not been there in ages
[14:57]<lucifer> stupid people .....
[14:57]<@bc_programming> I can't help what I am. I'm sorry
[14:57]<@bc_programming> heh
[14:57]<lucifer> the person im talking about hasnt even <censored> transfered over the title for my car yet and because of that i cant get a new key made
[14:58]<@bc_programming> weak
[14:59]<lucifer> if i dont get my car started in the next 2 weeks ill need a new engine ... period
[14:59]<@bc_programming> why's that
[14:59]<lucifer> its a rotary
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[15:01]<lucifer> my car hasnt been started in a month... if i dont i know for a fact ill have a seal froze
[15:55]<Tux2> WOOO HOOOO!!!!!! SOPA and PIPA are officially dead!
[16:12]<sonicrules1234> Tux2: Link?
[16:13]<Tux2> I'll have to find one, I read it in my email
[16:18]<+Mulreay> back
[16:20]<Tux2> Ugh, this new event system that bukkit is trying to do for their new release is confuzzling me...
[16:20]<@bc_programming> haha wow... I just added an event that I already wrote
[16:21]<Tux2> I'm trying to register an event the new way and it is crazy!!!
[16:22]<@bc_programming> now I forgot what I needed the event for
[16:22]<@bc_programming> oh well
[16:25]<@bc_programming> oh right... I was writing a trigger
[16:25]<@bc_programming> I don't even remember if my trigger/event framework works. I had it working for destroying blocks before
[16:26]<@bc_programming> event registration for it? BCBlockGameState.Soundman.Driver.OnSoundStop += OnSoundStoproutine
[16:27]<@bc_programming> no messing about with.. listeners and interfaces :P
[16:29]<@bc_programming> hmm, the triggers and events must be working, since that is what changes to music when a boss appears
[16:33]<Tux2> yeah yeah, you and your C stuff...
[16:33]<@bc_programming> C?
[16:33]<Tux2> or whatever language you are programming it in...
[16:33]<@bc_programming> C#
[16:33]<@bc_programming> I can't stand C
[16:34]<Tux2> Yeah, I knew it was C something
[16:38]<@bc_programming> well it works, but I forget how
[17:00]<+Mulreay> <censored> women
[17:18]<@bc_programming> heh... now my MLP levelset has Nightmare Moon/Luna and Discord levels
[17:18]<@bc_programming> and I use the appropriate music for each and it shows the lyrics for no reason
[17:23]<+Mulreay> Twitter, Dog has it's face blown off by a firework... nice... tell you what I will kick your fecking face off, stand proud in front of me and I will end you. I swear I will fecking kill you...
[17:23]<@bc_programming> what?
[17:23]<+Mulreay> The dog was made to 'eat' a firework
[17:24]<@bc_programming> wtf
[17:24]<@bc_programming> people responsible should be made the eat fireworks >:(
[17:25]<+Mulreay> They made the dog eat a firewoek and as it did they lit it
[17:25]<@bc_programming> yeah I figured
[17:25]<+Mulreay> The dogd face (as you can imagine) was destroyed.. but it lived for a while
[17:26]<@bc_programming> people responsible should have the luxury to do so.... Live, that is
[17:27]<+Mulreay> Ashamed to count myself as a human
[17:28]<@bc_programming> shouldn't*
[17:28]<@bc_programming> whoops
[17:29]<+Mulreay> Why? I don't get how people do this
[17:39]<+Mulreay> bbl
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